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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2041
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:12:00 -
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That article is awful. The writer is probably a male feminist. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2041
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:That article is awful. The writer is probably a male feminist. What a bizarre attempt at an insult. Sorry, I just find those guys detestable. They're just doing it for E-Peen points on Tumblr. Also this. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2050
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:29:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:The Question is So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying I'm sure I could think of many ways, but first you must answer the real question; Why would we want to?
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2050
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:22:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Its Important We would better understand Why People Annoy People and what motivates them to do so. I enjoy it because I actually find it exciting when people get really mad at me. I love making people angry and just keep winding them up until they write full paragraph replies about what an awful human being I am. I find it hilarious and satisfying.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2056
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:48:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:CMD Ishikawa wrote:The truth is that you can't make EVE community less annoying.
Trolls love trolling and as**oles will always be as**oles. agreed!  Disagree. It's only a game.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2058
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:41:00 -
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Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2060
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:42:00 -
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What kind of inequality are we talking about? Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2062
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:50:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. What myth about unequal pay? Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me? Yes, I believe that happened roughly 40 years ago. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2062
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:58:00 -
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Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2062
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this. Right. So you're saying that you aren't familiar with how unequal pay plays out in practice. I'm saying that in the Western world, anyone who completes their education, leaves school and gets a career which they work hard at for 20 years will be earning the same salary regardless of their race or gender.
Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2062
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:I'm saying that in the Western world, anyone who completes their education, leaves school and gets a career which they work hard at for 20 years will be earning the same salary regardless of their race or gender. You're pretty much completely incorrect on both those points. Compelling argument. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2065
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:40:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:It happens more along these lines: even with equal, and sometimes superior training and job skills, many employers will pick a male applicant over a female. This happens predominantly in career fields that people see as stereotypically "male" jobs. Somehow computer programming has ended up on the "boys" list.
I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me.
Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world. What you have shown is that in some smaller demographics, a gender pay-gap still exists due to discrimination. This doesn't reflect the whole business world, but tends to occur in smaller businesses. From your description, I could only guess the reason this discrimination exists is because women in positions such as yours aren't aware of their rights and are not pursuing legal action when their rights have been violated. In your case, where you claim to have found evidence, I certainly hope you sought legal advice to help prevent this from happening to others. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2071
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:the last 10GÇô20% of the gap Is this a 10-20% gap in specific jobs where males and females are equally educated, have equal experience and working equal hours, or is this gap just a general statistic about average male wages vs average female wages? If it's the latter, it doesn't necessarily indicate discrimination. More evidence would need to be provided to make that assessment. In all likelihood, it's due to a difference in lifestyle choices between average men and women.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2071
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:11:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:. I'm not going to deny that discrimination exists. Of course it does and it always will, but laws are in place to prevent that. If those laws aren't doing what they're meant to do, we need to assess why. You say it's very difficult to prove and I believe you're right about that, so it would seem the problem lies with the courts and the methods with which the laws are enforced. It also indicates that perhaps people need to be more aware of what their rights are and when they are being violated.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2073
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Is this a 10-20% gap in specific jobs where males and females are equally educated, have equal experience and working equal hours, or is this gap just a general statistic about average male wages vs average female wages? For most, it's just he former and then there are structural inequalities on top of that. For a select few, it's a combination of both. Either way, the myth is itself a myth, probably born out of people believing that it's just a matter of choice. If I wanted to talk about averages, I would have said 20GÇô40% insteadGǪ I see. I find it interesting that women are, on average, 20-40% cheaper to employ, and yet shrewd businessmen are not capitalising on that by firing all their male workers and employing women instead. I guess the discrimination really runs that deep.
Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2073
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:and what you're effectively saying GÇö GÇ£it doesn't exist because [laws]GÇ¥ GÇö is why I'm jumping to the conclusion that you're not familiar with how it plays out in practice. Dismissing the facts as myth because those facts shouldn't exist is pretty na+»ve.  That's not what I said. I said laws have been made to protect people and if they're not working, we need to assess why.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2073
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:45:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gee it's almost as if those who do studies know how to control for different factors. Yes, like when the earnings of economics majors are compared with the earnings of sociology majors because they're basically the same thing, I guess. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2073
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Posted - 2013.11.30 21:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pay inequality is only a very small part of a larger and significantly more complex issue. Sure there's progress being made, but that doesn't mean our work is done. Not by far. Feminism is a positive influence on global society and I admire your commitment to supporting that.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2078
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Posted - 2013.12.01 09:05:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I like the part where the report says that the wage disparity is ...just 21.5%... I can just imagine if the pay gap favoured women, men saying, well that's all right then, things are getting better, no need to push for more equality now... So you're saying equality can only be achieved when part time workers and people in lower paying fields can earn as much as full time workers and people in higher paying fields. That's not equality, it's the exact opposite.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2078
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Posted - 2013.12.01 09:12:00 -
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Can we keep your homophobic attitudes off this forum please? It's disruptive. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2078
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Posted - 2013.12.01 09:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If they did, controlling for these factors should cause the gap to disappear. When fair comparisons are made, the wage-gap is close to non-existent. There are a few cents difference, but it's not much.
Quote:But it doesn't. It also fails to investigate why women are more likely to take part-time jobs or work in lower paying fields. This might be tied to discrimination. It might not be. I didn't read the report either but I've read other reports on the subject. It seems women tend to do part time work more than men as they choose to have families and raise children (there is also the matter of there being more single parent females than males). In college, women have a tendency to study for lower paying fields, such as the Economics/sociology comparison I made earlier. Both subjects are lumped together under 'Social Sciences" by the AAUW, yet Economics majors (2/3 male) earn 70k/year, while Sociology majors (2/3 female) earn 40k/year. Why are these two groups being compared?
Also, as a note, the report that says the wage-gap has closed to a few cents is written by the AAUW themselves. They maintain that the wage gap is still extremely prevalent, while publishing research which contradicts themselves. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2080
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Posted - 2013.12.01 11:44:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:we would like to know maybe to brainstorm new ideas in preventing such behavior and help them in coping better with loses and wins. Your feedback is very important! I don't doubt the importance of her feedback, but what do you intend to do with it? Why do you think preventing this type of behaviour is necessary? Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2080
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Posted - 2013.12.01 12:08:00 -
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Eve is supposed to be a toxic gaming environment. It's an important part of how the game works. There is already an EULA in place which prevents that kind of behaviour from getting out of control, no further measures are required. Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2080
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Posted - 2013.12.01 12:44:00 -
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Okay, good luck with that. Oh god. |
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